The governors of several states are sending hundreds of additional National Guard troops to the nation’s capital.

Trump administration officials reportedly say some National Guard members in Washington, D.C. may now carry firearms, reversing previous assurances that all troops would be unarmed.

That worries one former Detroit police chief and deputy mayor.

Isaiah McKinnon was a young police officer working with National Guard troops when violence broke out in Detroit during July of 1967.

McKinnon says he’s had concerns for decades whenever the U.S. military mixes with the nation’s civilian population.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length

Isaiah McKinnon: I’m always skeptical because my experiences going back to the late 1960’s with the National Guard were not good. I hope that people understand this is not a dig at the National Guard troops themselves. But I think that if we use people who are not trained in law enforcement, it’s like a police officer going to war in a foreign country. You’re not trained for that. You’re trained to deal with domestic type situations. And that bothers me. Because when I saw the National Guard here in Detroit and the things that they did, it was frightening and scary.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: That would have been during the 1967 Detroit riots or rebellion, depending on who you talk to, when you were not the chief but a police officer. Why was working with the Guard scary?

IM: They assigned a squad of National Guard people with me, a young officer. We were riding in Jeeps. I had been in Vietnam as an Air Force person and watched the military, and I was impressed with how they reacted to certain situations. But these National Guard people in Detroit, they were young people too. They asked me, “How are we going to do this? What are we going to do?” And I said, “Guys, listen, what we’ll do is we’ll look for looters. We’ll look for people that’s doing wrong things and bad things. And if we have to lock them up, that’s what we’ll do.” Well, as we’re driving in our Jeeps down the streets and patrolling one National Guard member said, “There’s someone moving up in the window on one of the streets.” It was, I think, Chicago Blvd. He started shooting at the window. I said, “Wait a minute! Did you see anyone? Did you see a gun or something?” “No, but it was suspicious.” You don’t shoot on suspicions. Those are the things that scared me because they had no idea of what they were there for. Doing things like shooting the street lights out because they don’t want people to see them. Now, we are years past that. But what are these guys [in Washington, D.C.] going to do when they come into a community? If there’s a domestic situation, are they thinking that they have to use ultimate force to take someone down?

QK: In a military situation, that’s what they would do, right? Try to get rid of the lights or that kind of thing.

IM: Yeah. But I saw National Guardsmen shoot at people and thank God they missed. In fact, my brother, who is now deceased, he told me a similar story. He was walking down 12th Street in Detroit and a number of National Guard people came in that area. They told the people to leave and the people started yelling and screaming back at them, which is a normal thing that people in these kinds of situations do. So, they started shooting at people. And I’m going, again, my God. These are the experiences that I’ve had and other law enforcement people have had. We don’t want to knock the National Guard. But when you bring someone into a domestic situation one has to be trained, for their safety and for the safety of the people that they might be interacting with.

QK: Now, to be fair, a Pentagon spokesperson claims that these particular National Guards people have been trained in de-escalation tactics and crowd control. And I know the Guard does help in certain natural disaster situations. But the Pentagon is also saying that the National Guard in Washington is going to, “Provide a safe environment for law enforcement officers so they can make arrests and be a visible deterrent for violent crime.”

IM: I would have to see it to believe it. I think people say things to make it sound better. But the reality is that you don’t know until they’re there and they have these interactions with people, someone screaming, yelling, throwing bricks and bottles at you. Do they start using ultimate force on them? Police officers have gone through countless hours of training about dealing with these kinds of situations. You can’t just go into a city and say, “My people are trained, they can handle that to relieve the officers.” So they relieve the officers and then what happens? What is making something safer for a police officer who’s responding to a situation or patrolling an area? It appears to be a convenient thing to say. But the reality is, we’ll see as things go on.

QK: You have experience as an officer and police chief and also as a deputy mayor. So you’ve been on both sides of governing and running a police department. President Trump says there is an emergency situation in Washington, D.C., so therefore he’s had to act. Others say they fear he could do the same thing in some other large cities. From your vantage point, do you fear that this could be the precursor, somehow, of the president, in effect, trying to take over police departments across the country?

IM: The proof is in what is happening right now. You had the mayor of Los Angeles who said, “We don’t need you.” The governor said the same thing. So did the mayor in Washington, D.C. If there’s a need to make the officers safer, let us hire more officers who are trained regularly to handle these kinds of situations. We’ve seen what has happened in other locations, whether it’s untrained officers or untrained troops that go in, it does not help the situation in that respective city. There’s a distrust of police officers. But there’s even more distrust of someone who comes in who the community doesn’t even know. I’ve seen this in all my years and it’s frightening to me, when you bring in troops. Someone said to me last night, “Dr. McKinnon, I never thought we would see troops patrolling the streets of our cities when there’s not a rebellion, there’s not a riot, there’s not these horrible things going on, but under the auspices of ‘We’re going to make things safer for the police.’” The way you make things safer for the police is, number one, hiring more law enforcement officers. Number two, you deal with the mental health situations of people and other things to calm or quell the actions that are going on in a respective location.

A Michigan Congresswoman is taking aim at stores she claims abruptly change prices depending on who is shopping.

U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib says big stores do more than use data to decide what coupons to send customers.

She alleges they consult security cameras and personal profiles, then adjust the cost of a given product.

Now the Detroit Democrat is introducing a bill in Congress to stop what she calls “surveillance pricing.”

U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib: (Interview edited for clarity.) These big grocery stores like Target and Walmart are using surveillance of the way we shop, our ethnic backgrounds, our income and creating personal profiles on us. So my bill would prevent and prohibit them from using these characteristics about yourself, your shopping patterns and so forth, to fix the price. Especially when they are primarily looking at whether or not you could afford a price hike. It bans electronic shelf labels in large stores where they can automatically change the price. If there’s a heat wave they might want to price gouge and increase the cost of water. Or maybe they know this is a product you have to buy, you buy it every single time, and they’re increasing the cost because they know you got a raise at work. Again, a lot of this is personal data and personal information that should not be used in deciding what the price is. Everyone should be charged the same no matter their background, the color of their skin, their income, their ethnicity, where they shop, things of that nature. And so, we’re trying to prohibit this.

QK: Companies use so much data now to have an algorithm to send offers or other things that they target to customers. In your view, how can the government enforce or ensure that they’re not using that data to charge different prices for different people?

RT: Right now there’s no enforcement arm. So the bill establishes an enforcement arm within the Federal Trade Commission to hold corporations accountable. Our neighbors are struggling. Many, many have seen up to a 28% increase in the price of groceries. These corporate grocery chains are feeding customer data into algorithms and using big tech to decide whether or not they’re going to charge us more. This bill makes that illegal. And it pushes the Federal Trade Commission to prevent price hikes based on what I believe are discriminatory practices and violating people’s privacy. Companies should not be allowed to use any of this information, including electronic labeling or personal information, to charge you higher prices.

QK: Companies will argue that they’re doing this because it’s what customers want. If you’ve always bought a certain kind of bread, for example, they’re going to send you all these bread offers. Are you able to do something that would stop price gouging while still allowing them to continue sending you the offers they think you’re going to want?

RT: Do you not believe these big corporations want you in the stores? They just want to be able to squeeze more money out of you. They send you the coupons because they know these are the items you buy. But they’re going to use electronic labeling and examine what apps you are on and use facial recognition to increase costs on you. Much of it’s going to be done without your knowledge. It’s about how far they can go in charging you and knowing that you can afford it because they looked up and created a profile that says this is how much they make. Or this is an item they need, because maybe this is a personal hygiene item they’re required to use. Whatever it is, no one’s gender, color of their skin, income or the location that they’re shopping at should be used in fixing the price.

This all started when the head of Pepsi was interviewed when prices went up during the pandemic. The cost of groceries just skyrocketed. After that people thought it would stabilize and the prices would go down. But in his comments, he said, “Well, no, we’re not going to decrease prices. The people are already getting used to it.” For many of my residents and families, that’s what they want us to push out against, this increased cost when it’s not needed. They want fair prices, not based on any of this personal information and data.

QK: If it’s not some kind of an antitrust situation, can Congress or the government actually have an effect on what prices companies set?

RT: Absolutely. We saw this with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. CFPB did this with the big banks, where we watched how they built their business plans based on junk fees. We saw how Delta Airlines was charging more for family units regarding seats. All of that to say you saw CFPB, which unfortunately is under attack by the Trump administration, go after student loan servicers, go after a number of these companies. They set up their business plan to be profit-driven without protecting consumers. Laws are in place for different kinds of price fixes and increases. But there’s no prohibiting using surveillance pricing to jack-up prices. That’s where our bill comes into effect, trying to give some sort of enforcement under the Federal Trade Commission to push back against those practices.

QK: Congress has battled repeatedly this year, in particular, about budgetary items and spending or cuts demanded by the Trump administration. In this kind of a climate, are you concerned whether your proposal can make it through that partisan maze?

RT: I think that there’s so many residents across the country that see price-fixing and gouging and increases on their families, no matter if they’re Republican or Democrat. They don’t see this as a partisan issue. And I’m hoping when they understand this is an invasion of privacy, that technology is being used in this way to hurt families, I really believe they’re going to reach out to their members of Congress and ask them to support something like my bill. To push back against stores that have already been under fire for increasing costs when there’s heat waves and when there’s desperation among the community that they’re in. I think there is going to be a big, very non-partisan way of approaching this issue that’s going to be seen outside of Congress and not based on party affiliation. It’s already a struggle for many of our families to get fresh food. The basic grocery store trip should not be something where they’re going to get scammed. That’s what we’re trying to prevent here.

Business leaders say President Trump’s tariffs on various countries and products are creating a high level of uncertainty for companies.

That appears especially true for small business owners who often operate with razor-thin profit margins.

A national coalition of CEO’s called Small Business for America’s Future estimates owners of smaller firms account for the vast majority of U.S. imports, the kind directly impacted by tariffs.

The group recently drafted a letter to President Trump and other officials claiming tariffs place a disproportionate burden on small businesses and are creating a crisis for owners.

That includes Farmington Hills, MI-based Blitz Proto, a company that specializes in helping customers bring ideas from design and engineering to production.

Blitz Proto CEO Carrin Harris says tariffs are making it hard for her company to survive.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Carrin Harris:  Blitz Proto is a small, three-person team. We’re focused on bringing innovative ideas to life. We help companies make prototypes from toys to medical devices and auto parts. Most of our prototypes involve electronics. That’s why we are having difficulty with the tariffs right now. Most of the electronic parts come from China. But we also do machining. So, the cost of all materials for machining has gone up. Aluminum, steel, everything’s going up quite a bit.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: Have you been able to absorb some of the costs from the tariffs? Or do you have to pass the full cost on to consumers?

CH: We do work on very small margins. We have done what we can to absorb the cost. But for the most part, we are passing it on to the customers.

QK: How is that going over?

CH: So far, it has been very difficult. Many of our customers come to us with very small budgets and they can’t afford the additional cost to make their product. So, we have lost some opportunities this year due to the increased costs that we’re passing on.

QK: There’s been reports that some suppliers are demanding additional payments to cover tariff-related costs they say they were not expecting. Has that happened with your business?

CH: Yes, it has. We had placed some orders back in December. Then we received communication from our vendors telling us the cost had gone up. They’re attempting to absorb the costs as well but they had to pass some additional fees on to us to account for the tariffs and duties and additional shipping costs.

QK: How does that affect your business? I imagine it impacts not only costs but also quoting people what you might have to charge them or the time frame for when you’ll be able to deliver a product?

CH: Yes, it has. We have changed our policies internally this year. Our quotes are now expiring in one week rather than one month. And a lot of our lead times are being pushed out because the shipping times are much longer.

QK: It must be difficult to form a business plan with that kind of a situation.

CH: It has been extremely difficult. I’m doing the best that I can to assure our customers that we are exploring alternative vendors. We’re looking into more suppliers here in the United States, although costs for items coming from the United States tend to be quite a bit higher, sometimes three times the cost.

QK: You are one of the owners included in the letter sent to President Trump and other officials regarding tariffs and how they’re affecting small business. President Trump has said over and over that he loves tariffs. But he’s also proposed huge tariffs and then reduced them and then added others. Given all that, how realistic do you think it might be that he could reverse course on any of these tariffs, especially ones dealing with electronics from countries like China?

CH: It does sound like a possibility. But it’s pretty unpredictable. I’m hoping that he’ll at least choose and stick with a tariff rate so that we can anticipate better. Because we quote customers ahead of time, sometimes months ahead of time, so they can plan their budgets. If they’re ready to start a project and the cost has skyrocketed in the meantime, they usually have to scrap the project.

QK: The president said earlier this year that his use of tariffs could mean, for example, that maybe someone can only buy two dolls for a child this year for Christmas instead of 30. That’s as he says he’s bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. For you, whose company actually makes prototypes for toys, among other things, what do those comments mean to you?

CH: It really means the supplier that wants to create a new toy is probably not going to do it. We are a very small business among many small businesses and these tariffs are threatening our livelihood. We already are working with almost no capital. So I don’t see how we can sustain this in the long run. I’d like to see more consistency.

QK: How long have you had your business going and how has it been doing?

CH: We started in mid-2022. It’s done pretty well up until the tariffs were put in place. We had really good outlooks for this year. We’ve formed a lot more customer relationships and have had a lot of new opportunities this year. Unfortunately, a lot of those customers have held back from putting in orders that they planned on making with us this year. I am sure that’s due to the fluctuating cost.

QK: And not being a huge corporation, I imagine you don’t have the extra assets or resources available to help tide you over the way that a large company might?

CH: We’ve actually had some suppliers tell us that big corporations came in and bought up all of their stock. So they wouldn’t actually honor the orders that we’d already put in and paid for.

QK: How can they do that if you already paid for them?

CH: That’s a good question. They didn’t really have any answers for us

The entertainment world lost an iconic actor this week.

Loni Anderson refused to play a stereotypical “dumb blonde” on “WKRP in Cincinnati,” a hit television show about a fictional easy-listening radio station abruptly switching to rock and roll, which aired from 1978 to 1982.

Instead, she reinvented the character of receptionist Jennifer Marlowe as “the smartest person in the room,” one who much of the show revolved around.

Anderson earned two Emmy nominations for the role.

She died Sunday after a prolonged illness, just a few days short of her 80^th birthday.

But despite having more than 60 acting credits spread over decades, Anderson always celebrated her time on WKRP.

That included an appearance in 2012 at the Motor City Comic Con.

At that time, Anderson told WDET’s Quinn Klinefelter that coming to Metro Detroit felt like a return to very familiar surroundings.

Loni Anderson: (Interview edited for clarity.) I am from Minnesota, so I am a Midwest girl and spent some time in Detroit. I drive American. I’ve driven a Cadillac, not the same Cadillac, since 1979. I’m an American car driver and a Midwest Sunday school teacher. So it seems just like home to me.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: You’re going to a comics convention and you’re renowned for movies and shows like WKRP. That’s all TV and film. Why be at a comics con?

LA: I think we may be the token actor-comedy people. There are other similar people there like Dawn Wells, who did “Gilligan’s Island.”  More cartoony, granted, than our show. But I think it’s just a celebrity gathering and everybody comes and chats and has a good time. I get to sit with Howard Hesseman, who played WKRP disc jockey Dr. Johnny Fever, and reminisce. We just had lunch last week with our whole WKRP cast and it was really fun.

QK: You all still stay in touch?

LA: Yeah, we are like a family. We get together a couple times a year. And everybody emails one another or texts one another. I think we started together, we were all new together and it makes a bond.

QK: Those kinds of bonds aren’t always there in the entertainment business.

LA: No. And we were so lucky because all of us went on to do other things, other series. There was something special about WKRP. It was interesting because women on television in that era were either sexy detectives or sexy something else. But nobody was sexy-funny. And nobody blonde on TV then was very smart.

QK: But your character, Jennifer Marlowe, was really smart and really tough.

LA: Hugh Wilson, who created the show, we talked about it. I wasn’t really blonde before WKRP. And we said, “Okay, who is this woman? What is she about?” And Hugh said, “Let’s make her like movie star Lana Turner and the smartest person in the room.” And that’s kind of where we went. That was the taking-off place for her. And in 1978, that was changing the face of glamorous women in television.

QK: So you started off from that premise, you didn’t have to really push or fight to get her that way?

LA: In the pilot, she wasn’t that way. She was just kind of a one note. And after the pilot, we talked about that. We thought she should be something more, so let’s be really innovative. And at the time it got a lot of attention.

QK: How close are you to Jennifer Marlowe, to the character in WKRP?

LA: Kind of close. I’m not as, let’s say, as facile with a quip, because when you have writers, of course, you can be brilliant immediately. The things that Jennifer said I would maybe think of on the way home in the car, way after the fact. But otherwise, I think I’m pretty close. I don’t date just old guys and have their wheelchairs in the closet. So that’s not the same. And unexplained wealth, God only knows where it comes from. So, there were some mysterious things about Jennifer.

QK: If you look yourself up online, you actually have a bit of mystery too. We all know not everything online is always accurate. But a lot of posts refer to you as being in what they call a “self-imposed exile” the past few years. Is that a fair description?

LA: You know, I don’t think of it that way. I am a reluctant celebrity who always wanted to be an actress. I think today’s generation is more celebrity-driven. And I don’t really want people to know that I’m going to the drugstore or when I go to the market or if I’m going to be at a restaurant. I think it’s just a different era. And when I’m private, I’m private. If I’m a working actress, I’m a working actress. And I don’t want to work unless I think it’s fabulous, because I’m spoiled. I’ve had wonderful scripts to do. And to me, a lot of stuff isn’t worth going out the door for. I have a family, I have grandchildren even. And everybody keeps me pretty busy. If a good acting role would come along or something I said, “I really want to go and do this, it would be fun,” than maybe. But those are harder to come by, especially as actresses get older, too. So I guess I got picky. When you have that kind of show that you start off with, WKRP, and a nice career with other great, well-written series, you do get spoiled.

QK: When they’re advertising this Motor City Comics Con now, they’ll hype not only just the comics, but they’ll put WKRP right at the top of ads and say, “This is why you should come.”

LA: Because I think it’s iconic. Just within the last week I got a bunch of calls from people saying we were on a list as one of the best 50 television shows of all time. And when you’re in something iconic, no matter how much work you do, you’re always connected with it. Like Henry Winkler is always the Fonz from the TV show “Happy Days.” Sometimes you just have that breakout thing. You either embrace it or you hate it.

QK: Some actors think it’s like a millstone around their neck after a while.

LA: Some people feel that way, I embrace it. It was a fabulous experience. I made great friends. I’m still all their fans. And when it comes on television, I still appreciate it. I like that It’s still rerunning yet to this day, that’s very cool.

QK: Anything you would change about it now, when you look back with 30 years of hindsight?

LA: Oh, no. I never like that. I always think that everything that happened to you makes you who you are. It all went into the mix. And if you like who you are today, which I do, then if you changed one thing you wouldn’t be the person you are today. So I would change nothing.

QK: Well, now I have to find the one thing to do that will make this interview really stand out.

LA: Oh dear. What is it?

QK: What’s the one thing that you’ve never told anyone that you could say right now?

LA: Ha! The things that people don’t know about me? Well, I’m kind of a closet jock. And I love to fish. Of course, I grew up in Minnesota with all those lakes. If I want to get my blood pressure to go down, I just remember those mornings when the sun was rising on the lake and it was like glass. And I was fishing with my dad.

It’s been one year since Michigan native Paul Whelan returned home after being wrongfully imprisoned by Russia on what he and U.S. officials call bogus espionage charges.

Former President Joe Biden personally greeted Whelan when he landed on U.S. soil.

But Whelan faced a harsh reality after the media spotlight faded. He’d lost his job and his home.

He lives now with his aging parents in Manchester, MI, and relies on donations to a GoFundMe account.

And Whelan says he’s having mixed success cutting through a web of state and federal bureaucracy.

Paul Whelan: (Interview edited for clarity.) Yes and no. In Michigan, you have to work here for a certain period of time before you file for unemployment. As I had been in a foreign prison, the work I was doing in the labor camp didn’t count. So Michigan rejected any claim for unemployment benefits. They were very sympathetic and wished that they could help me. We went through the appeal process. We spoke to everyone, government officials even spoke to the unemployment bureau on my behalf.  But they said, at the end of the day, there weren’t any exceptions in the law and there was no way that they could do anything for me. This is an issue that we’re trying to take up with the Michigan Legislature to ensure that people in my situation return home, including a Michigan resident that’s currently being held wrongfully in Russia, they are properly taken care of.

As far as the federal government goes, the Levinson Hostage Recovery and Hostage-Taking Accountability Act says the government should provide five years of medical, dental, psychological care for returning hostages.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: But Congress has never funded it,

PW: Exactly. And when I discuss it with the U.S. State Department, they say, “Well, Congress didn’t give us any money. But we’re not an insurance company anyway, so we’re not sure, even with the money, how we would provide that.” I’m trying to get in front of U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President Trump right now to discuss these issues. Because these are major concerns for the families and the hostages once they come back. Congress did a good thing, putting that piece into the law. They think that the State Department is providing this care for us, but the State Department isn’t. And I think if the right people get together and understand the situation, it’s one of these things that could be taken care of very quickly.

QK: Have members of Congress actually told you that they thought it was being taken care of?

PW: Oh yeah. As soon as I got back the House committee and the Senate committee that handle foreign relations, that were involved in my issue, said, “Hey, we’ve improved the Levinson Act since you’ve been gone. There’s this five-year health care provision.” Now they know that there’s an issue and the State Department knows they’re an issue. But it’s a matter of getting something accomplished, getting it funded, and then having the State Department actually provide the benefits to us.

QK: There were certain Michigan members of Congress that were trying to lobby on your behalf, as well as other hostages, to fix some of those issues. Have you gotten any sense from them as to whether there’s any movement, especially in the current political and financial era that we’re in?

PW: Congresswoman Haley Stevens and Congresswoman Debbie Dingell have probably done the most. I’ve interacted with those two the most on these issues. Haley has some bills that are going through Congress to add compensation for former hostages to the Levinson Act. Her and Debbie are also looking into why the State Department isn’t doing what Congress thought they should be. But it’s a slow process. One of the things that was passed recently says the State Department is supposed to issue a Certificate of Invalidity signed by the President. It basically says any arrest, trial or conviction in a foreign country when you’re wrongfully detained is null and void. Employers, people like that, should take the president’s signature as proof the conviction was fake and done for diplomatic means.

QK: Has Trump signed it?

PW: He hasn’t signed one for me yet. Again, this is something that Congress passed and the State Department’s supposed to be providing these certificates. I’ve inquired several times. It’s the Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs office that handles this sort of thing. It’s probably something minor. There aren’t that many of us. I think it’s something that would be easy to do. But we haven’t gotten to the point where they’ve issued these certificates. We’re working with the State Department, we’re working with Congress. I’m glad to have the partnership of many U.S senators like Michigan’s Elissa Slotkin, she’s doing a lot for hostages. She’s behind us. The same for Michigan U.S. Sen. Gary Peters. We have a lot of good representation. It’s just a matter of getting these things in front of the right people and making sure that the right things are happening.

QK: There have been several prisoner swaps of late involving the U.S. Have you stayed abreast of those developments? What’s your view of them been?

PW: Ten people just came back from Venezuela, which has a habit of giving people back and then grabbing another group. So we’re telling everyone to stay out of Venezuela. Iran has returned citizens. We’ve had citizens come back from other countries. There have actually been some citizens who were rightfully held in prison who have been transferred back to the United States through the International Prisoner Transfer Program, which is very good. The U.S. Justice Department owns that.

I’m still in contact with several former hostages, including one from Dearborn, Sam Farran. He and I were in the U.S. Marine Corps together. He was held about 10 years ago for six months by the Houthi rebels and released. He has a very interesting story and wrote a very good book about his experience and how the government interacted with him. And former hostages like Evan Gershkovich, Alsu Kurmasheva, Brittney Griner, Trevor Reed, people that were very closely related to my situation. We email back and forth, we text, we have phone calls. I always say it’s kind of like the Island of Misfit Toys, ha! It’s a unique club. There are several other former hostages involved and they give us a lot of good insight about the things we’re going to face and how to overcome obstacles with the government.

QK: You have also talked about staying in touch since you got back with some of the people who had been in the Russian labor camp with you. Are you still communicating with them?

PW: Yes. Interestingly enough, the prison camp I was in is now a prisoner of war camp for Ukrainian soldiers. The people that I was in prison with are now in different camps around the country. They still have burner phones (obtained by bribing guards.) Russia is still as corrupt as ever. So we stay in touch using Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, these different online services. It’s interesting because they’re telling me about life in different penal colonies. They’re telling me about the corruption there and the way things are done in these other areas. They have a lot of challenges going to these very, very stark areas, the backwoods of Russia, where there’s a lot of corruption, especially now that the economy is really bad there.

I continue to get feedback from prisoners, some firsthand, some secondhand, that have gone to the war. They’re telling me where they are.

QK: Are they calling you from the front lines?

PW: Yeah, they’re sending text messages and whatnot, saying where they are, what equipment they do and don’t have, what food they have, what the conditions are like. When I was in the camp I was passing that back to our people. And here I’m doing the same thing. It’s a bit of a moral obligation to help the people in Ukraine. And also to give the information to our people to use for the purposes of shutting Putin down and ending the war. Too many people have died on both sides and unfortunately a lot of people from my camp went to the war. That’s the way things are in Russia.

Some of the prisoners from my camp have been released and sent back to their own countries. It’s interesting to see how they are now overcoming being incarcerated in Russia and getting back to normal life where they’re from.

QK: You had talked about trying to get back to your own normal life, about the trauma from having been in a labor camp. What would you want people to know right now, one year down the road from where you had this intense spotlight on you, the president putting a pin on you and so on?

PW: The only real PTSD issue that I deal with is when I’m in a hotel room. When I was arrested, I was violently arrested by a rogue foreign intelligence agency in a hotel room and I was dragged out. As soon as I came back home I started traveling, visiting Washington, D.C., visiting different places, friends. And when I stay in hotels, it brings back that memory. I’m past the point of stacking tables and chairs and dressers and things in front of the door to keep people out. But I am reminded that not that long ago I was in a hotel room on vacation and I was violently arrested. In terms of getting back to normal, I’m applying for jobs. But they say, “You have the training,  experience and education. But you also have a six year gap in your career that other candidates for the same position don’t have.

QK: Does it matter if they’re aware of why you would have a six year gap of any type?

PW: Everyone’s aware. Everyone knows that this occurred. This is one reason that we’re trying to get the Certificate of Invalidity from the president to help with these situations. It’s extremely trying, especially when you don’t qualify for unemployment.

QK: You’re still staying with your parents, right?

PW: Yeah. You’re basically doing everything from scratch by yourself. I’m still using a GoFundMe account to take care of necessary living expenses. I’m also using it to advocate for hostage aftercare and helping the people that are still in the camps overseas that are really just as wrongfully detained as I was.

I’m getting a lot of support from the local communities. If I go to Detroit Metro Airport, people at the Delta counter know me. If I go into the Sky Club, they know me by name. They were watching TV all day in these clubs in the airport and they’d see my picture. Or they find out my name and they’re like, “Oh, you’re that guy the Russians held for five-and-a-half years.” And it’s funny because it’s happened all over the United States, not just in Ann Arbor or Michigan. It’s a nice feeling to know that people were paying attention and that there is that interest. And we have a lot of good support from Congress. The hostage issue is an American issue. It’s not one state over the other. Every Congress person, every senator, is involved.

QK:  It’s bipartisan?

PW: It’s probably the only bipartisan thing that’s going on in Congress right now. There’s a subcommittee in the U.S. House working on making sure that the IRS doesn’t come after us with penalties for taxes owed while we were gone or for not filing properly. They’re trying to work on Social Security reporting for the period that we were gone, so that we don’t have a zero for our income. When I start drawing Social Security, if there’s a six year gap because of a hostage issue, that means I get much less in benefits than my peers would. And then just looking at other areas of the government, someone needing help to get a driver’s license or a professional license that they now have to go through retraining to get. There are some licenses that I’ve had to acquire again that the GoFundMe account is paying for.

QK: You also have a new license plate on the vehicle that you were leased.

PW: The state of Michigan was quite nice. They gave me a new Marine Corps veteran license plate and customized the number for me. It’s “5Y7M5D.” That stands for the five years, seven months and five days that I was wrongfully detained. It’s a bit of humor showing that the Russians didn’t win in this situation, that I’m going back to my normal self. I tell people what the plate stands for and they snicker. And that is the sort of thing we should be doing. If I didn’t travel, the Russians would have won, right? If I don’t talk about my experiences, then the Russians would have won.

Detroiters face a pivotal primary election, and early voting is already underway. 

For the first time in a dozen years Mayor Mike Duggan is not seeking reelection.

The candidates vying to replace Duggan differ on the specific policies they want to pursue. But most agree one of Detroit’s pressing needs is increasing its supply of affordable housing.

Candidate DaNetta Simpson says she has a plan to address the situation that would help residents pay to fix-up their current housing. She says it’s just one of several issues driving her bid as an independent candidate for the top job in Detroit’s city government.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

DaNetta Simpson: What I would do, as far as the neighborhoods, is set up an insurance program for the residents to pay into for repairs for their homes. And we’re not going to go by income, only that they’re occupied and that they are on the tax rolls. All you have to do is show proof of ownership and pay a monthly or yearly fee. We will put all this money in one particular bank account, let it draw interest and then have it go to repairing our neighborhoods.

I will also freeze the property taxes while we’re doing these repairs. I will also grandfather the property taxes for people that’s been in the neighborhoods for more than 20–30 years.

Also, crime in our communities is out of hand. Gun control is out of hand. I want to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Now don’t take me wrong, we do not want to take your firearms. We just want responsible owners. And there’s people out here that cannot own firearms.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: So, what would you do to keep them out of the wrong hands?

DS: I will have enforcement in public places to search for them. Or post signage stating that firearms are prohibited from being there when they’re carried by people that’s not licensed to have them. We need a gun trafficking law that will stop the drive-by shootings in the neighborhoods. I know we can’t control the way an individual thinks. But at least if we have a law on the books to prevent the shootings from happening; maybe they won’t commit those crimes in places like parks. Kids are getting killed at the parks, getting wounded at the annual fireworks display, in large crowds at concerts, bars. We can control some of that. And it’s time for us to make our public places safe. Fix up our neighborhoods as well and children will not see blight again.

QK: Detroit will be running out of the pandemic relief money that the city used for various projects. It’s been allocated. Just about every candidate running for mayor now says the city needs to find new sources of revenue. Do you agree with that? And where would you look to find new revenue?

DS: Yes, I do agree with that. But everyone in Detroit is not eligible for loans. So my program, insurance deterioration, will cover everyone. And this will bring in revenue for repairing the homes, gutters, porches, roofs, sidewalk repairs, your fences, your garages, etc. We got to get the homes fixed up and safe so people can be in livable conditions.

QK: As part of that, you’ve talked about instituting some new policies regarding trash pickup in the city?

DS: Yes, that can be revenue for the city as well. Because there are people out here who are not paying for trash pickup. I know apartment buildings have a different ordinance. But if everyone pays for trash pickup along with their occupancy certificates, that will help deter blight in the neighborhoods. Because when tenants have to vacate premises, they leave them full of trash. Some of them put the trash on the streets where it doesn’t belong. So, I feel that they need to pay for a trash fee.

QK: Some of the other candidates have mentioned possibly having to create some new local taxes, service taxes. Would you favor that kind of approach as well?

DS: No, I feel that we’ve been taxed enough. That’s the old way to do things, raising taxes, cutting here, cutting there. We need some new ideas. We can’t run the city the old way. They are still trying to run the city like when the taxes first started on properties. We can’t keep taxing the citizens.

QK: The person that’s been running the city for the last dozen years, Mayor Mike Duggan, is not going to be running it anymore. He’s not seeking reelection, he’s running for governor. When you look at what Duggan has done, do you see things that you want to build on? Or is there some other direction you think the city should go?

DS: The difference between him and I, is that he was previously a Democrat and I have always been an independent. I have suggested some of my ideas to his administration and he has followed them. Those ideas are criminal expungements and swapping the old jail for Dan Gilbert to buy the site to develop on. I have been a part of the change and I would like to continue that. And this deterioration insurance will be a change for Detroit.

QK: You have made a couple of runs previously for mayor. Is there something you see differently that you can propose this time than in your previous campaigns?

DS: I would say I still have the same ideas. But when you don’t have the money to reach the people, when you don’t have radio time, television time and you don’t have the money for mailings, then you can’t reach all the constituents like the other candidates can.

QK: So this time you think you’re getting your message out more widely?

DS: Yes.

QK: I typically ask anyone who is running for an office what their pitch would be in the end to voters. So what would you tell Detroiters? Why would you be the best candidate for mayor compared to all the others campaigning right now?

DS: Because I will show independent thinking. The others want to raise taxes. I have something to offer the citizens where we don’t need to raise the taxes. We just need to stand on our own two feet and we can fix our neighborhoods ourselves. I will be an independent thinker instead of a dependent thinker.

QK: Dependent on what?

DS: Dependent upon the old. And it’s not the old that will take us to the next level. We need fresh ideas in here.

The Trump administration is making changes in security procedures at the nation’s airports. Officials say new technology now allows travelers to pass through checkpoints without having to remove their shoes. And soon, they vow, passengers may be able to bring full bottles of liquid onboard aircraft.

But the new scanners needed to screen travelers are large and expensive. Some experts say the federal government must move cautiously.

University of Michigan Associate Professor Javed Ali was a senior analyst for U.S. Homeland Security in the years following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. He says there were good reasons for checking shoes and liquid containers at airports.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Javed Ali: First there was the 9/11 operation, which was so big and broad and so sophisticated, getting trained pilots to commandeer airplanes and fly them into buildings. But that gap was closed pretty quickly. Then just a couple months later, by December 2001, we saw al-Qaida pivot to a completely different type of tactic using a single operative, Richard Reid, taking a flight bound for Miami from Paris with bombs in his shoes. That’s what led to the rule of having your shoes X-rayed up until very recently.

By 2006, al-Qaida continued to innovate and adapt and think about new ways to attack aviation, even though Osama bin Laden was on the run, in hiding, and the group was under serious pressure. Most of its senior command structure had been killed or captured, but they were still focued on attacking aviation bound for the United States. That’s what led to what was called in 2006 the “liquid bomb plot” against transatlantic planes leaving from Britain.

I was at Homeland Security from 2003–2007 and sort of lived through some of these moments. It was pretty significant and the threat was just off the charts in terms of al-Qaida’s relentless focus on attacking aviation. These international terrorist groups are very adaptive and they’re always looking for opportunities to try to plan or plot the next major attack against the U.S. homeland, even if they’re under significant pressure or their organization has been degraded. That certainly has been the lesson since 9/11. So there’s likely still some type of threat out there against global aviation.

But hopefully with these new measures that either are in place or will potentially be put in place for different types of threats, it will continue to keep the flying public safe. I’m making the assumption that there wasn’t a political dimension to these new measures. It was not just because we are in 2025 and people are tired of having to take their shoes off if they’re not in TSA PreCheck or some other trusted traveler program. But I can’t say that for certain. That’s just an assumption I’m making.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: How would you say the government should balance ease of traveling with ensuring that you’re secure while traveling?

JA: Maybe we’re at a moment where we can pull back on the screening of the shoes because there is a technological solution to that. It’ll be interesting to see if the liquid restriction rule also goes by the wayside. That was al-Qaida’s last major effort to attack the homeland, at least at the scale of the 9/11 attack. They tried to do that afterwards, but nothing at the scale of that August 2006 plot. And that was a close call. And with the al-Qaida folks who were involved in that, in Pakistan and in Britain, that was as serious as it could get.

Luckily, the worst case didn’t happen. But that’s why that rule is still in place for 20 years. The threat of terrorists trying to bring some kind of liquid explosives onto planes, even in small amounts, may still be high, even if the rule gets rescinded or adjusted moving forward.

QK:  You’ve discussed terrorist groups. But there’s always concerns over the “lone wolf” operatives or domestic terrorism. Any concerns about lessening current security procedures in regards to the possibility of homegrown terrorism?

JA: That’s a great question. In the post-9/11 era we have not seen what you and I would consider homegrown extremists or pure “lone wolves” or offenders try to conduct attacks against the aviation system here in the United States. It doesn’t mean that people haven’t thought about it, there may have been people who had the idea. But interestingly, in the post-9/11 era, the threat to U.S. aviation up until now has always been directed from groups overseas, first al-Qaida and then ISIS.

QK: As we are talking right now, you have just finished traveling by air and going in airports yourself. What do you think of the process? Was it a drawback for you to go through certain things and wait? Or were you willing and happy to go through that procedure in order to ensure there was as much security as possible?

JA: You might be asking the wrong person this question, because I was a former U.S. government counter-terrorism official. So I knew exactly why these rules and processes are in place, to keep the country safe. And that includes myself, when I was traveling on airplanes in my government years. And now that I’ve been out of government, I travel very routinely as well, including today when I left Detroit Metro Airport and landed here in Washington, D.C.  I never see this as an inconvenience, just part of the process we all have to live by. And, again, there are real threats out there that would like nothing more than for all of these rules to go away or create this perception that there are vulnerabilities that could be exploited. I also am in some of the trusted traveler programs too. So that is another thing that any person can apply for. If you’re able to get into those programs it expedites the process at the airports as well.

Detroit is just a few weeks away from a pivotal primary election that will decide the two final contenders to become the city’s next mayor.

WDET is listening to the voice of Detroit voters as part of our Citizen Vox Project.

George Goff is one of those voters. He lives in Detroit’s Jefferson – Chalmers community.

Goff says he’s following the mayoral race, but he’s still waiting to hear candidates address his concerns.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

George Goff: I am still disappointed they’re not talking about public policy. There’s a lot of environmental issues in Detroit and no one wants to address that.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: When you say environmental issues, especially if you’re on Jefferson and Chalmers, is it in terms of trying to prevent flooding, in terms of possible contamination in the waterways, all of the above?

GG: All of the above. We thought it was DTE Energy that had the problem. But it was another company, and you can smell [what’s left from the flooding] all the way up to Mack Ave. That’s a problem. You have the canals, they’re flooding constantly. And my home was flooded five times. FEMA is not doing anything. The city hasn’t done anything. And that’s a problem.

QK: Obviously whoever becomes mayor, you’d want them to address that kind of issue. I would think. What other issues, if any, do you see as important to the city that should be worked on?

GG: The other thing is that people are losing their homes now. It’s a new pandemic. Seniors are not able to keep their homes because insurance companies say they’re not going to be covered when things go astray. That’s a major problem in the city of Detroit right now.

QK: What would you suggest that whoever would be the next mayor do to try to help with that?

GG: They need to have policies in place for that, for the future. I know the city is working on a new pipeline waterway system. But they have to do more than that. They’re tearing up the streets on Jefferson Ave. and by the park and there is still sewage backing up.

QK: This will be the first time in a dozen years that Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan is not running for reelection. What have you thought of the job he’s done? And what do you think a future mayor should do? Should they build on some of what he’s done or go in a different direction?

“The social middle class of the city of Detroit is suffering. We need to make sure we’re able to live in Detroit with all these high inflation rates.”

– George Goff, Detroit voter

GG: I think Mike Duggan has done a great job for the city. I want to see the next mayor do some of the things that Duggan had put in place. But I need them to go beyond, especially for the middle class. The social middle class of the city of Detroit is suffering. We need to make sure we’re able to live in Detroit with all these high inflation rates.

They had a problem with the county deeds, they are having problems with taxes, they’re having problems with the upkeep of housing, and we’re losing a lot. Detroit could be a first-class city and it’s not anymore. So the next mayor has to get on the ground and start making way for the future of the city of Detroit. If we don’t, we will go back into bankruptcy.

QK: You think it’s that dire of a situation that bankruptcy could be a possibility?

GG: I think it’s very possible. Because they’re skirting around the real issues. People have gone to city council and shared their voice and it’s like, OK, we’ll look into that. But no one is looking into it. The flooding, people losing their homes, the taxes, common things they’re not doing. Look at the city transportation. And then crime now. There’s no activities for youth. They need to open-up recreation centers on the weekends, have midnight basketball or something. We need something for our youth. The parks are great but we need better policing of the parks.

Most candidates vying to become Detroit’s next mayor agree the city’s high property tax rates remain a barrier to home ownership and attracting more residents. 

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They say Detroit needs to find new revenue streams, especially now that the city has allocated all of its pandemic relief funding. 

On WDET’s The Metro, Detroit mayoral candidate and City Council President Mary Sheffield said Detroit must increase partnerships with the private sector. 

“I do not believe that we can tax our way out of anything. That’s one tool to have in the tool box. But overall we want to continue to increase our population, we want to continue to provide good-paying jobs because when that happens we get revenue back to Detroit through property tax and income tax,” she said. 

Sheffield and rival candidate Saunteel Jenkins say the city should explore creating a local sales tax. 

Other contenders — like council member Fred Durhal III — say Detroit should target new investment from green energy and tech firms. 

But mayoral candidate Solomon Kinloch argues the city cannot grow its way to prosperity without help from state lawmakers.

– Reporting by Quinn Klinefelter, WDET.

Other headlines for Thursday, July 17, 2025:

• Dearborn City Council voted Tuesday to restrict Airbnb and other short term rental units to the downtown area. The decision was in response to some residents who have complained about parties and parking in their neighborhoods.  The zoning amendments will take effect on Jan. 1. 
• Local prisoners will be receiving a new opportunity from Wayne State University. The university’s Prison Education Program allows inmates to receive a bachelor’s in sociology with a minor in entrepreneurship and innovation, starting fall 2025. Staff say the major was chosen because of its broad reach and the transferrable skills that come from a strong background in liberal arts.
• Wayne State University is launching a women’s varsity soccer team beginning the 2026-27 academic year. It’s the first new varsity sport brought to the university in more than a decade. The new team will play in NCAA Division II as part of the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, with home matches on the lit turf stadium next to Tom Adams Field. The search for a head coach will begin this summer.  

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Only about one out of every five people in the city of Detroit voted during the last mayoral election.

Now a similar small percentage of the electorate will likely determine who leads the city for the next four years, as long-time Mayor Mike Duggan makes a bid to become governor.

WDET is talking with voters about the candidates and issues that matter to them as part of our Citizen Vox Project.

That includes 60-year-old downtown resident Monica Davie.

She says the city faces a crucial crossroads.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Monica Davie: (Interview edited for clarity.) The conscience of Detroit is at stake. I think we need someone who has experience in both private and public sectors. I think our candidates are well-intended and that they love the city. Any one of them would be very good. But we need great.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: Do you have a particular candidate in mind yet?

MD: I am supporting Saunteel Jenkins. She started her early career in public service. Think she has persevered over some personal and professional challenges. Her service on the Detroit City Council was very, very good. I think she had an opportunity to showcase her talents and has done a great job with THAW (The Heat and Warmth Fund, a nonprofit assistance agency.) I think that she has protected and supported at-risk and underserved populations in the city. I think we need that kind of leadership.

QK: You already mentioned some issues. But what others in the city would you like to see whoever becomes the next mayor address?

MD: I’d like to see as much attention and money spent in the neighborhoods as is in downtown. What happens when folks are visiting a community and the lights go out? Is it still welcoming to the individuals? We have got this tag phrase of the “old Detroit” and the “new Detroit.” There’s no such thing. It’s just one Detroit. And there’s a group of individuals that held Detroit down, as we say, when the lights were out, so I’d like to see them respected.

I don’t know how we have a big, beautiful metropolis and still have individuals traversing through that are homeless and we’re not building big, beautiful shelters for them and giving them a leg-up. They don’t need a hand-out, they want a hand-up. And we have the mechanisms and the resources to do it right here in the city of Detroit. So, I would like to see an individual be really focused on sharing the wealth, spreading the wealth, making sure the individuals in the city of Detroit, no matter who they are, get some of these skilled trades jobs training. That whole component is important. Even though our political landscape is threatening adult education and skilled trades, I would like to see us focus on it in the city of Detroit. I don’t want to see us moving our low-income and at-risk individuals out to the suburbs, our homeless out to the suburbs. I’d like to see them integrated and supported in the city while we continue to build.

QK: This will be the first time in about 12 years that Mike Duggan is not running for mayor. What have you thought of the job that he’s done? And do you see things he’s done that you think the next mayor should either build upon or perhaps go beyond?

MD: I’ll be honest, I was not originally a supporter of Duggan. But I think he has a brilliant mind and I think that he’s galvanized and exposed some real challenges that we have in the city. I think that he’s tried to take a swing at them, like some of the blight and tearing-down some of the vacant homes and some of the urban farms and some of the subsidies that he’s offered. I think he’s done a good job. I’m appreciative of his leadership overall. I would like to see the next mayor follow that blueprint, look at his historical footprint, sort of put their own spin on it and bring us some new and innovative things with that base still in place. Not someone that he’s just endorsing, but someone that can think like him and call upon him for support when they need him.

Detroit faces a turning point this year. Long-time Mayor Mike Duggan is leaving the office to make an independent bid for governor.

What do Detroiters want to see from the city’s next mayor?

WDET is examining that question by launching the Citizen Vox Project. These are one-on-one conversations with Detroit residents about the issues that matter to them.

WDET’s Quinn Klinefelter spoke with 69-year-old Midtown Detroiter Andrew Crawford. He says he’s not sure yet which mayoral candidate he’ll vote for. But Crawford says he does have a question for whoever takes the top job in Detroit’s city government.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Andrew Crawford: We strive so hard to be a big city. But how can you be a big city when your transportation is very poor? You got two rail systems and none of them really go anywhere. The QLINE just runs up and down from West Grand Boulevard to downtown. Then you got the People Mover. All it does is go in a circle. So, it’s money wasted.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: What about the bus systems?

AC: I don’t understand why the suburban SMART and Detroit Department of Transportation lines can’t be merged. Why would you have two systems? It’s still wasted money. I ride them all the time, both bus systems. And I’m telling you, people are moving back to Detroit, the city is growing, and once you get the public transportation system going better, the population is gonna explode. People can move around and depend on it. There used to be a lot of rail systems here at one time, before people started buying so many cars.

QK: What other issues stick out to you?

AC: Definitely crime. I wish the community would get more involved in helping police that. I’m hoping to see more of that. I’m hoping whoever becomes mayor invests in the whole city. Downtown, it’s going to take care of itself. It’s already on its way. Now it’s time to reach further than the boulevard.

QK: What would you want to see past the boulevard? What do you want to see out in the neighborhoods?

AC: I would like to see more houses, more businesses, communities coming together. Like that food co-op past Euclid on Woodward Ave. It’s a Black-owned food co-op. I’d like to see more of that. And also see the city commit to helping more people that have homes to maintain those homes.

QK: This will be the first time in a dozen years that Mike Duggan will not be mayor of Detroit. What have you thought of the job he’s done so far?

AC: I think he did a great job. I think he’d make a good governor.

QK: Would you like to see whoever becomes the next mayor just continue with the same kind of stuff Duggan’s done? Or, other than transit or crime, is there another area you’d want to see them try to improve on or go beyond what’s being done already?

AC: Take where he left off and make it go even further. Like the north end, I see businesses and restaurants popping up all over there. But I would like to even see them go deeper into the east side and Gratiot Ave. This is where public transportation comes in, because if you got those kinds of systems running throughout the city, it’s going to bring people to those communities.

I don’t care what you do to the city or how much you improve, if your public transportation system is not together, it’s going to fall apart. And the people need to come out and vote, especially in the Black community, even in these local elections. Because if we don’t, what’s going on now is going to continue. You got to show that you care. And that you care about voting. If you don’t care, this is what happens, the turmoil we in now.

A judge is set to decide whether low-level radioactive material left over from the creation of the first atomic bomb can find its forever home in a metro Detroit landfill.

The state of New York wants to send about 6,000 cubic yards of tainted soil and 4,000 gallons of contaminated groundwater to a waste disposal site near Belleville, Michigan.

It’s one of a handful in the country licensed to dispose of such waste.

Communities near the site, including Canton Township, filed a lawsuit to stop shipments of the toxic material from New York.

Canton Township Supervisor Anne Marie Graham-Hudak says the suit kept those remnants of the Manhattan Project out of Michigan so far. But not other contaminated material.

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Anne Marie Graham-Hudak: At this time, we still have this kind of waste coming into Michigan, whether it be into the injection well in Romulus or into the Wayne disposal site. But we’re hoping this lawsuit helps us launch some precedents to stop that.

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: But the specific one from New York has not come yet?

AMH: No. And it was supposed to start coming basically in January. So we’re glad that we were able to stop it. We met with the judge, the hearing was in May and the judge is scheduled to make a ruling on July 2. We hope that happens. We’ve been working also with Michigan state Sen. Darrin Camilleri (D-Trenton) and state Rep. Reggie Miller (D-Van Buren Twp). They have two bills that are going to increase tipping fees, amongst many other things.

“The EPA were saying that this was safe. Our question was, ‘If this is so safe, why is it being moved? Why don’t you just mitigate it in place?’ And that’s still what we’re questioning.”

– Anne Marie Graham-Hudak, Canton Township supervisor

Our tipping fees are one of the lowest in the nation. We’re at roughly 36 cents a ton, so we’re basically inviting people to come dump into Michigan. In other states you’re looking at $13 a ton — that just exacerbates what we already have. And at some point our landfills will be full and we will be looking for other places. The Canton landfill maybe has five years left. The EPA were saying that this was safe. Our question was, “If this is so safe, why is it being moved? Why don’t you just mitigate it in place?” And that’s still what we’re questioning. Radioactive waste in the body is absorbed and it’s additive, so if you live near where they’re dumping it, that’s a problem.

Also, Michigan has 21% of the world’s fresh water, and we’re putting this in a dense area. They’ve got schools nearby. The groundwater takes it out to the Rouge River, which takes it to the Detroit River, which takes it out to the Great Lakes. So why are we even thinking of putting it there? Also, they’re going to store the waste in what they call “burritos.” They wrap the waste in these plastic burritos and then come here and bury it and put a cap on it. But they could not even guarantee that the plastic they’re going to wrap it in will match the half-life of some of this radioactive dirt. I’m a retired engineer. One of the things that I worked on before I left Ford Motor Company was electromagnetic radiation — that was actually one of my favorite classes in college. And they can’t guarantee how this waste will stay encompassed in this plastic. There’s no test on this plastic that had been done to see that. I think their guidelines are way too narrow. But they’re going to keep dumping it, which makes it additive, and it doesn’t go away. It’s a constant radiation.

QK: So you don’t trust what the agencies or the company are saying about this?

AMH: Correct. I do not trust it. I think some of the guidelines that have been made in Michigan, especially, are leaning more towards favoring companies. We’re an automotive area and we know that we’ve got PFAS. We know that, in the early days, automotive companies would dump (material.) There’s brownfields here for a reason, because companies dumped. And I really believe that some of our land is contaminated. I think our guidelines in Michigan are way too low. They protect companies more than they do our residents. This is a public health issue, it really is.

QK: So what remedy would you seek at this point?

AMH: That we stop this. State Sen. Darrin Camilleri’s bill actually states that we just stop everything from coming in. We do more studies and more testing. We do not allow any more radioactive waste to come into Michigan. We do not allow any more new sites to be established. I know a lot of the businesses are concerned about this, but if you look at it, even hospitals generate radioactive waste. They do X-rays, MRI’s, things like that. So how do we mitigate in place what we have instead of transporting it? I don’t think we should be transporting it. Quit thinking about kicking things down the road and saying, “Oh, hey, we’re just gonna keep doing this. We’re gonna keep making nuclear reactors and we’ll just keep burying it, not really thinking about what’s going to happen in the future.” I think that we’ve done that for too long and too haphazardly. Our limits need to be looked at. I think that they’re more pro-business than they are pro-public health. That is my biggest concern.

QK: So that’s what you would hope to have happen. You’ve been dealing with this issue for a while now. What do you think is within the realms of reality?

AMH: I think if we want it to be more in the business of reality it can be. Look at the concerns raised by the agencies, the mayors and supervisors and the townspeople. That’s why we have this injunction, that’s why we’re trying to push this legislation through. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce needs to take a look at things a little bit more. Let’s just talk about changing tipping fees. They’re saying they don’t agree with that. But we’re just a dumping state based on 36 cents a ton.

QK: If the disposal company comes back and says, “We’re licensed to do this. As you say, hospitals and other places keep making this kind of material. This site is allowed to take it and we’ve got to put it somewhere. So why not here?” How would you answer them back?

AMH: My answer is that we need to study this even more. I can understand that we have to decide what to do with Michigan’s waste, where this is happening. But taking outside waste, it just gives us less space to figure out what to do with our own. And it also is in a densely populated area. There is an interstate commerce clause that does not allow us to stop. There would have to be a constitutional change on the federal level also, because this is considered trading commerce and money.

QK: Have you ever had much reaction back from the federal government on this entire topic, no matter which administration was running it at the time?

AMH: Not really. They keep pointing to the interstate commerce clause. People always say it’s hard to change a constitution and it will never happen. But the U.S. Supreme Court just changed some things that were in the Constitution for 50 years. So I think it’s a possibility. I think the need is there. The want has to make it happen.

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The prosecutor who won convictions in the Oxford High School shooting trials wants to extend that work to all of Michigan. 

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald announced this week that she’s launching a bid to become Michigan’s next attorney general. Other candidates who have entered the race include Democrats Washtenaw County Prosecutor Eli Savit and former federal prosecutor Mark Totten, as well as Republican attorney Kevin Kijewski. 

It’s an open race for the seat, as the state government’s current top lawyer — Attorney General Dana Nessel — is term-limited. 

McDonald, a Democrat, told WDET the issues facing Michigan and the nation are drawing her to serve at the state level. 

The following interview has been edited for clarity and length.

Karen McDonald, Oakland County prosecutor: I think the answer to that is the same answer I’d give when I started my first job as an adult — as a public school teacher — really wanting to be in a place where I had the most impact and the most opportunity to do good where it was needed most. I went on to law school, was a lawyer in private practice, became a judge in the family court and then ran for prosecutor in 2020. And I think right now, given the threats that we’re facing in the state, the attorney general is more important than ever. 

Quinn Klinefelter, WDET News: What kind of threats are there that you think you would have to face or take on if, in fact, you were elected attorney general? 

KM: We’re facing threats to our rule of law, to the general well-being and safety of the people in the state of Michigan. The U.S. Constitution and the rights that it gives us are being dismantled, and I think the attorney general is the one that stands up for the people of this state. I also think that the role of the attorney general as the “People’s Lawyer” is something that I’ve been doing for over a decade working to serve my community, my county. Oakland County is the second largest county in the state. And that’s what I get up every day and I do. 

QK: Obviously your prosecution of the Oxford High School shooter and securing the convictions of his parents on involuntary manslaughter charges put a spotlight on your work. Are there lessons that you see from those cases that would inform you if, in fact, you were elected attorney general? 

KM: My hope is that it put a spotlight on gun violence and how critical it is that we address it like a public health crisis. It’s the number one cause of death for children in this country. Prosecuting a few individuals, or anyone for that matter, is not going to fix that. We have to treat it like a public health crisis. 

QK: Staying with the Oxford shooting, the defense attorney for the shooter’s mother, Jennifer Crumbley, has brought up issues about a proffer agreement that was made with some of the Oxford employees to testify. The judge in the trial indicated that she had some concerns about the deal. Do you have any concerns that now your opponents in this attorney general race could somehow try to use that to tarnish your efforts in the Crumbley case?  

KM: It doesn’t surprise me. The lawyer you’re speaking of has been sanctioned and fined by that same judge. And the motion for a new trial was denied. I’m focused on the victims in that case and holding the people accountable that are responsible for those kids who were killed and injured on that day (in 2021) and the hundreds of others that were traumatized. I think the focus now has to be on the victims, the families and this community. That is why I’ve dedicated so much of my time as the prosecutor, and will continue that as the attorney general, to address gun violence. Not just from the moment somebody picks up a gun, but way up-stream — what we can and should be doing to educate the public about how we can prevent that from happening. 

QK: Current Attorney General Dana Nessel has done some of that in certain aspects. But she’s also filed or joined many lawsuits that challenge the Trump administration, from threats to withholding federal funding for emergency services and limiting birthright citizenship to firing federal workers or adding restrictions on voting. Are there areas you see that as attorney general, you believe you should either continue or would institute challenges to the Trump administration? 

KM: I think that’s the responsibility and duty of the attorney general. The stakes could not be higher. We’re talking about a complete disregard for the rule of law. I’m a lawyer, I’m a former judge, I’m the prosecutor. The Constitution is our guide. Due process is afforded for all of us. We can’t just ignore that when we want to. With regard to funding, these are critical issues. The new bill that’s being proposed in Congress would make it that 700,000 people in Michigan lose access to Medicaid. We’ve had the administration take away funds for substance abuse and mental health issues at the precise time where our kids, in particular, needed it the most. This just doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t make us safer. And I think the attorney general’s job is to look out for the people of the state of Michigan. So when appropriate, absolutely those lawsuits should be vigorously litigated, because that is the attorney general’s job. But it’s also the attorney general’s job to make sure that we are focusing on things that have the most impact. I’ve always been dedicated to public service and where I could do the most good. And that is protecting the rule of all law, protecting public safety and advocating for vulnerable people. 

QK: It’s a little bit unfair at this point, because only a few candidates have declared their run for attorney general yet. But what would you tell a voter that you think sets you apart from the others that possibly could try to run for the office or that are now? 

KM: While I’ve spent most of my adult life in southeast Michigan and Oakland County, I grew up in the middle of the state in a really small town that was a farming community. My dad was a construction worker and neither of my parents went to college. They were able to work hard and provide a nice life for us, not a fancy one, but a good one. And I am only here because I had the advantage of student loans. Over half of the assistant prosecutors in my office rely on the loan repayment programs because they’ve dedicated a significant period of their life to public service. These aren’t things that should be taken away. These are things that we should be saying, “This works.” We need to fight to make sure that we don’t lose it.

I’m also a mom. And I, like all the other parents, want to make sure that my kids have a safe, thriving state to live in. Look, it’s 2025, we should not have parents worried that their kids might be the victims of gun violence when they drop them off at school. I am going to fight no matter where I am to make sure that we do everything we possibly can to eliminate and prevent gun violence.